Traveling by Amtrak – dogs not allowed
Amtrak’s pet policy bans all pets except “trained service animals accompanying passengers with disabilities in all customer areas in our stations, trains and Amtrak Thruway motorcoaches.” Some of you have been traveling on Amtrak for a long time, and may remember when dogs were allowed on board (either in the sleeping cars or, in carriers, in other cars). That policy was changed in 1976.
I had planned to bring Chloe east to see my niece during the long weekend we’re spending in NYC, but since my travel plans ultimately included three short train trips, I left Chloe in Seattle. Instead, this weekend was a reconnaissance mission, to see whether I want to risk traveling with her on future Amtrak trips.
I’ve taken the Adirondack, which only has coach cars; the Empire Service, which has coach and business cars; and the Acela Express, which has business cars and a First Class car (and is Amtrak’s high-speed option). On all three trips, it would have been easy to bring a dog, even one Chloe’s size, as long as the dog is reliably silent in her carrier (and the carrier looks like a purse or a computer bag). Bags are not x-rayed, and the boarding agent who checks your ticket before boarding has a crowd to deal with. As long as you meet Amtrak’s general baggage requirements (number and size of bags), the contents don’t seem to be an issue.
Silence is key, though. Avoid “quiet” cars (meant for travelers who want to escape cell phone users and other extra noise) and choose a regular car, so you have at least some sound cover. The regular cars weren’t a hive of activity either, though — it’s a quiet way to travel, and any vocalizing from your dog would be audible.
On the Adirondack and Empire Service trains, there is a bit of room under the seat in front of you. To use it, your carrier must be no bigger than 9″ tall and 13″ wide (any wider, and you’ll impinge on your neighbor’s underseat space). Amtrak, however, doesn’t require that the space beneath your feet be kept clear, so I could have tucked Chloe’s messenger bag between my legs and the seat. (If you plan to put your dog’s carrier under your legs, please note that there is significantly more leg room in business class than in coach class. Coach, however, is survivable even with a carry-on on the floor.)
The Acela has essentially no underseat space, so you’d need to put your dog’s carrier under your knees. There is a ton of space behind your seat, but I wouldn’t use it for a pet — if someone else slung their suitcase in too vigorously and jostled her, you might hear an exclamation of surprise (besides, she’d probably prefer being closer to you). The Acela also has the most uncomfortable seats I’ve ever encountered on a mode of transportation: bring a lumbar pillow, and get ready for a numb bum.
You would also, of course, need to assess your dog’s bladder capacity, and travel only as long as she can be comfortable. The station stops are too brief for a bathroom break. And keep in mind that if you are changing trains and have a layover, you’ll need to find a grassy spot far enough away from the station that her exit from her carrier and her re-entry aren’t noticed by Amtrak staff or other travelers.
Please be aware that this is a risky maneuver! You are, in fact, breaking the rules, and the penalties for being caught may include a fine or being asked to leave the train. On balance, the risks (for me) outweigh the benefits. Who wants to find themselves in Prince, WV, suddenly looking for alternate transportation?
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I may try this, I’m trying to go to NY from NC. I was going to take a plane but it is so much money.
It’ll be a little over $100 for me, 100 for the dog, I need a health paper to say she is healthy enough. AND that isn’t even including extra for my luggage. =(
She is less than 20lbs and this may just work. And I doubt that would/could kick me off the train if they DID find out, I’ll be taking amtrak. I’m underage for 1 (although I will be 18 in Nov.) and thats just extreme to do that. She won’t cause any problems. I just don’t know if she can be 100% quiet for 14 hours…=/
If all they did was fine me I’d be OK with that =/
Anyway, great article.
Hi, Star — Thanks so much for your comment. Here’s the thing — if my husband weren’t so sensible, I too would take Chloe on Amtrak in her stealth bag, especially in the fall or winter, when a coat strategically draped over your knees would really muffle any noise she made chewing on her toys, etc. However, I’d only do it for a short trip — no more than 3-4 hours, which is how long she’s been completely quiet at a stretch before. 14 hours is a really long time! I worry about her bathroom breaks, and she’ll really need to stretch at some point. I know that plane travel with a dog is expensive, but I think 14 hours is just too long a time for a dog to stay still and quiet….
Hi,
I was just reading about Amtrak’s policy and called them to verify. They told me again no pets unless they are service animals, and therapy pets do not count. I’ve read before of other people buying service vests for their dogs just to take them places they otherwise might not get to go.
I’m traveling this upcoming week and would prefer to take the Amtrak considering it’s the easiest option for me. I’m tempted to try sneaking my dog on via my disguise “purse”. She’s only 7 pounds, could easily hold her bladder for 3-4 hours, and would love it if I just fed her treats the whole time.
My only concern is that since she’s still a puppy at 10 months old, she’ll get curious at some point and want to pop her head out or start barking. Thus, I’m considering the option of buying a service vest. Horrible to tell a lie? Perhaps. But Amtrak’s policy needs to get with the times. Almost all other modes of transportation can be somewhat lenient about animals. Like airplanes, Amtrak could allow animals at a fee, still have the crate requirement and force the passengers with animals to sit in the back. Can you imagine the money they could make if they charged for an extra seat per animal?
True, Amtrak would have to cover animal liabilities, but could do so in a new policy clearly stating that they won’t pay for any injuries, damage, etc. caused by pets and that owners will be charged for such instances, and then include the banning of aggressive breeds.
I feel like something so simple shouldn’t seem difficult to change.
Hi, Kara — Thanks so much for your comment! Believe me, I totally understand your frustration with Amtrak, and I’ve already revealed that I too have pondered sneaking Chloe on board. I’ve never pondered putting her in a service dog vest, however — I realize that sneaking her on board and putting her in a vest are both Wrong Things To Do, but the vest trick seems worse to me. I don’t mind being punished myself for wrong acts, but I would mind harming the interests of people who are legitimately accompanied by real, working service dogs — and I think that’s what the fake service vests do. I prefer to rent the car and vent my outrage in productive ways like writing blog posts, or letters to Amtrak, or comments on travel sites — that way, you preserve the high moral ground, and you get to remind Amtrak that if they had a sensible policy like the one you describe, they’d have your business….
Hey everyone.
I am considering travelling from chicago to slc utah. Even though I have a dog she isnt comeing along. full blooded german shepherds arent easy to hide in a carry on…. but! I am considering taking my rat. lol. He wont make noise and he will pee in his cage that conveniantly will fit in my extra large purse. This article has furthered my courage. as long as they dont search my bag i’ll be fine useing the restroom every so often to let him walk around while i do my business. has anyone travelled that streatch before? and if so could you tell me what the customs in chicago will be like?
I’m in a long distance relationship and at least once a month I drive from Philadelphia to Massachusetts. I drive because I have two small dogs (Bichon-Poos) and Amtrak doesn’t allow dogs. I have been making the trip back and forth for about seven years now.
When I did the math, using $150 as the round trip estimate, I calculated that Amtrak has lost $12,600. because of their “no pets” policy. When you consider the fact that Amtrak has never become self-sufficient and continues to rely heavily on government subsidies, (i.e.; taxpayers money), their “no pets” policy doesn’t make any sense–economic or otherwise.
What a helpful comment, Denise! That is a heap of cash — and cash is what Amtrak sorely needs. A fellow blogger is considering starting a petition to Amtrak to change its pet policy, and I hope she does — surely Amtrak can’t be unaware of people’s interest in traveling with their pets, but we need to move it up on their agenda of discussion items.
Bummer!
I was hoping to take the dogs on an adventure to Portland by train. I knew I could find the answer here – it just wasn’t the one I was hoping for
Isn’t it vexing, Jessica?! Where are you traveling from? If somewhere in the PNW, consider SeaPort Air, which is dog-friendly (though considerably pricier): http://www.dogjaunt.com/2009/05/traveling-by-seaport-airlines/
I also called Amtrak, and found out that I couldn’t bring my 8 lb dog on the train. I have been driving from San Diego to LA to see family, but I am almost 80 and the trip is getting too much for me. Any legitimate suggestions?
Hello, shirl! Let’s all hope that Amtrak reverses its policy soon…. In the meantime, I’d consider taking Metrolink between L.A. and Oceanside, and the Coaster between Oceanside and your nearest stop in San Diego. Metrolink allows small pet dogs in carrier onboard (http://www.dogjaunt.com/2009/06/traveling-by-los-angeles-area-public-transit/ ) and the Coaster site says the same thing: http://www.gonctd.com/safety_security
You’ll have to study the schedules carefully to make a good connection, but it looks like it would work. Good luck — please let me know how it goes!
Thank you Mary-Alice, I never thought of that as a solution.
So the bottom line for traveling with a dog (sneaking a dog on) Amtrak is: do so at your own risk? I’ve registered my dog as a service animal (papers/wallet card/tag/patch). Does anyone know if this is sufficient for Amtrak? Will they ask my dog to perform some type of service animal-related task? Should I pretend to be blind?
As far as sneaking goes, certainly you do so at your own risk. I don’t know about the service-dog gambit (assuming it is a gambit, and not a real need) — that’s not a path I’ve taken.
we’re getting a chihuahua soon, so i’m not sure how noisy he’ll be at first
but my in-laws live in grand rapids and we’re used to taking amtrak regularly from chicago. union station in chicago is pretty chaotic and noisy- i’m sure the dog would be fine once on the train, but i’d hate to be stuck in chicago because we were caught boarding. do you have any other suggestions for doggie travel in the midwest? flying to GR is crazy expensive- it’s cheaper to fly to LA- and grand rapids isn’t a big enough city for megabus. the internet says dogs aren’t allowed on greyhound either- the irony!
Hi, Caitlin — I understand your vexation with Amtrak (oh, how I do), with expensive flights, and with the big bus lines. It looks like the cities are about 3 hours’ driving distance apart, so my first reaction would be to rent a car, secure your pup in it, and make the drive. You could do it easily in a day, but it wouldn’t be as cheap as Amtrak — maybe about $150 each way. It would be cheaper than flying, for sure. How about advertising on Craigslist for shared driving to GR and back?
As a professional service dog trainer:
Just a note for all those people buying the ‘fake’ service dog vests – you are doing a great dis-service to all of the truly disabled people who depend on their dogs.
Your pet was not trained or raised to be an assistant – Leave them at home or with a loved one.
By pretending that your dog is a service dog you make it more difficult for people who need these highly trained dogs in their everyday life. If your pet misbehaves or (god-forbid) bites someone you have just set up another barrier that a disabled person is going to have to try to overcome. When you put a ‘fake’ service dog vest on your dog you are not only committing a crime, but you are committing a moral crime as well.
The next time you see a disabled person being given the sixth degree about whether or not their legitimate service dog is real – Just remember that all the people who want to take Bobo along on vacation are to blame.
I agree wholeheartedly, Kate.
Seeing that Amtrak is subsidized and has a monopoly on train travel, citizens should have some voice in their pet policies.
They could have a separate area for those traveling with pets and charge an extra fee, or require the passenger and pet stay in one of their roomettes.
I’m sure this would increase ridership and profits.
Anyone want to get a petition going?